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For whom is a thought conscious?
What is it that hears thoughts? It is not another thought. Thoughts appear in awareness, which is able to detect the appearance of phenomena. Awareness is not „me“ because „me“ is a thought and awareness is not a thought. Awareness is definitely here though. It is inseparable from the phenomena that appear in it, but it is not merely experiencing. It is also the capacity, the openness for these phenomena, the potential for experiencing.What is it that can stop thoughts following a distressing route?
It is an intention to be more positive. This intention came from the unconscious mind because the conditioning was changed by a book the bodymind read.
Also, thoughts are somehow more easily let go of as „only thoughts“ by other thoughts.What is the difference between mind and thoughts? What is the mind?
Good question. What appears here is that the mind is the functioning of the brain. That there are conscious and unconscious mind processes. Thoughts appear in consciousness. The body seems to operate from the unconscious mind. The thoughts that appear in consciousness also come from the unconscious mind. They are there for all the unconscious subminds to see. All this, of course, comes from books and not from direct experience. In DE there is no brain, no mind, only thoughts that appear from nowhere. In DE there is no difference between thoughts and mind. However, it is clear that processes like breathing, blinking, or the heart beating, happen unconsciously. So logic suggests that there must be an unconscious mind, that thoughts and the mind are not the same.Can you make the decision not to think?
The decision would appear in awareness on its own. Not „my“ decision. The mind is so quiet now that there wouldn’t be any thought for a while – but then a thought would come, unstoppable. Through meditation, the mind can be trained to have fewer and fewer thoughts, until all is quiet. Intention to meditate or to train the mind appears on its own. Everything just appears in awareness by itself.Can you predict what thought will come next? No, absolutely not.
Can you prevent it from appearing if you don’t like it?
No, of course not.
Can you eliminate a thought once it has appeared?
There seems to be something that can stop an especially distressing thought, or at least not go down the route the thought is pointing to. This seeming ability was developed in the past year. But there is no-one doing it. And it doesn’t always work.Hi Steffi
Where do thoughts come from? No idea. They suddenly appear, as the sounds and the smells. There is a feeling that they are perceived/noticed first in a non-verbal form, and then they are somehow put into words – all done very quickly and effortlessly. The thoughts immediately pull away attention to their content, like a giant magnet, in a way that the content takes over from consciously registering that a thought has just appeared. When the thought/thought train is gone, the mind registers that there were thoughts – in retrospect. Thoughts are rarely caught red-handed, in the act.
Where do thoughts go? They just evaporate and disappear from the mind. If the mind wants to keep hold of a thought, it will keep repeating it again and again, until it is dropped.
Sometimes thoughts can be felt „under the surface“ so to speak – not conscious enough to be put into words, but conscious enough to generate sensations in the body (feelings).
Adrienne
Dear Steffi!
There is no self in seeing, hearing, perceiving or experiencing! There is no self here and now! The self lives only in the storyland of thoughts!
Adrienne
Hi Steffi
I believe you have read my first LU thread. Since then I have had a second one under the name avva2. I graduated from LU just a few days ago, but I am still in dialogue with Elad because there hasn’t been a shift. I am still looking for the sense of self and finding only thoughts.
I have been feeling well. The depression I had was gone by January 2024. Since then I have been fine. I did trauma work with a therapist and also with vince.Looking forward to our next meeting.
Adrienne
There is no sense of self at all. No feeling or thought saying that „I am lying on the bed“, or „I am writing“. There are still thoughts about the me and what the me has to do, like „I need to do the washing-up“. There is also the feeling of separation, although it is not clear what is separate from what.
When I ask the question „Is there a sense of self?“ when doing things, I am unable to answer the question. Somehow the word „self“ doesn’t make any sense. Could it be because I have exchanged the belief in self for the belief in no self? If yes, is that a problem? What is the way out? Should I continue asking about a sense of self even if there is no answer? Are we expecting the mind to give an answer here?
