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  • #1245
    Steffi
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      Guiding Adrienne

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    • #1549
      Steffi
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        Thank you, Adrienne!

        What do you expect that liberation is going to be like?
        What do you want from it?
        How do you imagine a liberated human behaves?
        What should it be like?
        What will it give you, what do you hope for?
        What don’t you want it to be like?

        🙂

        #1550
        Adrienne
        Teilnehmer

          Hi Steffi

          There used to be expectations. The character still has a little hope for liberation. Wants and shoulds and expectations and hopes – all the domain of the character in storyland. It doesn’t matter at all what thoughts say about the I. The body goes around doing its things while thoughts chatter about all kinds of nonsense. „I haven’t had a shift!“ shouts a thought. „I don’t get it!!“ shouts another one. „It’s not fair!!!“ cries a third thought. It doesn’t matter at all what they say. The seeker, who desperately wants to wake up, who is thrashing about in despair, is a film star, a tragic hero. It doesn’t matter what the I expects or hopes for. It doesn’t matter at all.
          Adrienne

          #1573
          Adrienne
          Teilnehmer

            Hi Steffi,

            Saturday entry.
            The mind is getting even more quiet. When a thought appears, it is usually seen very clearly as a thought and it can’t usually suck attention in as it used to be able to (except when showering!).
            The mood is neutral and things are accepted more easily.

            Adrienne

            #1581
            Adrienne
            Teilnehmer

              Hi Steffi

              Sunday entry.
              It is clear now that reactions are all based on believing thoughts. Does the body want anything? Sure, it has its needs. Sure, it prefers pleasure to pain, like any animal’s body would. But beyond that, can a body really want anything? All wants and don’t wants seem to be coming from the imaginary me, the one that lives in thought only. It strikes me that awakening is all about realizing that thoughts are not to be believed.
              Adrienne

              #1588
              Adrienne
              Teilnehmer

                Hi Steffi

                Monday entry.
                Life seems to be going back to the way it was two years ago, before spiritual seeking began. Seeking is falling away.
                Adrienne

                #1606
                Steffi
                Administrator

                  Dear Adrienne!

                  So what is the self and how does it manifest itself?

                  #1607
                  Adrienne
                  Teilnehmer

                    Hi Steffi

                    The self is a thought, a label, a word. It appears in thoughts only. What is it that believes or doesn’t believe thoughts? Another thought that says „This is true“, or „This is not true“. „I have to…“, „I want to…“ say some thoughts, and others answer „There is no I. This is just selfing.“ Thoughts talking to thoughts. None of this matters. The body goes around doing its things anyway – with a silent mind or with a noisy mind, with the I-thought believed or not believed.
                    Adrienne

                    #1609
                    Adrienne
                    Teilnehmer

                      Hi Steffi

                      The imaginary self manifests itself when the body is reacting to a situation out of conditioning.
                      It is usually in the form of irritation these days or it can be envy. There is an intense unpleasant sensation in the stomach that the body wants to distract from by actions like shouting or crying.
                      When my friend had an awakening a few months ago, I felt intense envy. I was trying to do self-inquiry as to who is feeling this envy, but I was too upset at the time. How do you recommend inquiring into the sense of self? How do you look? Not with your eyes, then how?
                      Adrienne

                      #1613
                      Adrienne
                      Teilnehmer

                        Hi Steffi

                        Yesterday I went for a long walk. It was so peaceful. I know you are tired of hearing this, but the mind got even more quiet. Thoughts are dying but things get done efficiently. I was walking in total silence, admiring nature around me. Life is happening, but not in thoughts. That is the point.
                        Adrienne

                        #1616
                        Steffi
                        Administrator

                          Hi Steffi
                          The imaginary self manifests itself when the body is reacting to a situation out of conditioning. It is usually in the form of irritation these days or it can be envy. There is an intense unpleasant sensation in the stomach that the body wants to distract from by actions like shouting or crying. When my friend had an awakening a few months ago, I felt intense envy. I was trying to do self-inquiry as to who is feeling this envy, but I was too upset at the time. How do you recommend inquiring into the sense of self? How do you look? Not with your eyes, then how? Adrienne

                          Dear Adrienne! Thank you for writing daily and letting me be a part of it. How to explore the self is a very good question. We look at the self with the five senses: Hearing, seeing, touching, smelling and tasting. And we look to see if we can find a true self in the self sense. So yes, I looked with my eyes. How do you look? Please explain in detail how you look for the self.

                          Have a nice weekend 🙂

                          #1617
                          Adrienne
                          Teilnehmer

                            Hi Steffi

                            It is very clear that self is only a label, a thought. You can’t see a thought’s content with your eyes. This is obvious. There is a bodymind that calls itself I, and when it does that, it thinks that this I is a separate entity, an owner and controller of the bodymind, when in fact the bodymind doesn’t need an owner or a controller. Life has always happened without the I, and it doesn’t matter what thoughts say. Thoughts create a parallel world where the I is in control, and the mind is fixated on this world. But reality doesn’t happen in this world. It’s not the content of thoughts. It is more immediate, more basic and more fundamental than the complicated world of thoughts.
                            Adrienne

                            #1620
                            Adrienne
                            Teilnehmer

                              Hi Steffi

                              Life is slowly changing back to what it was like 2 years ago, before spiritual seeking started. No-one can stop the falling away of seeking. The thoughts are more and more about work (teaching), and less and less about self-inquiry. I didn’t start the seeking – it happened on its own. I am not giving up or stopping anything. It’s all just happening.
                              Adrienne

                              #1621
                              Steffi
                              Administrator

                                Dear Adrienne!
                                It is clear that the self is a thought, and yet a sense of self arises?
                                If that is the case, then focus your attention directly on this sense of self. The sense of self is the object of inquiry.
                                Observe the sense of self as it arises in the present moment and then look (with the five senses).
                                Is there really a self to be found? Where is the one to be found who is thinking?
                                Do not consider the thoughts or draw any conclusions. Just look.
                                If the thought arises: There is no self, or there cannot be a self because of this or that, then put that thought aside, do not believe that thought either, and look again with a fresh view.
                                It is important to keep looking with a fresh view, as if you were looking for the self for the first time.
                                Let’s separate the terms “self” and “sense of self”.
                                Sense of self = the object of investigation
                                Self = the supposed assumption of an entity that controls everything.

                                🙂 Steffi

                                #1623
                                Adrienne
                                Teilnehmer

                                  Hi Steffi

                                  Thank you. I will do that. Where is the one that is thinking? Looking with the senses, always as if looking for the first time. I’ll try that.

                                  Adrienne

                                  #1656
                                  Adrienne
                                  Teilnehmer

                                    Hi Steffi

                                    I am not sure there is still a sense of self here. What is that really, other than the I-thought? Is it the knot in the stomach when triggered, somehow associated with the me? Or is it a sense of the doer / thinker / experiencer? But that is just a thought too. All I find is thoughts about the me. Without thoughts there is no sense of self at all.
                                    Adrienne

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